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The moot question you are asking is” whether the induction of a few retired personnel of the Armed Forces into political process will benefit the Governance or harm the National Security ?
As usual salvo on target. Very valid views.
Either way given there preoccupation for gubernatorial posts yet nffu will be denied as done since 2006, as if they never became two three starred by of political acquaintances.talking about virtues and missing out on essence like nffu, enhanced MSP etc is shallow sighted narrow mindedness
Senior officers of all defence forces,should be vociferously enough to address all issues pertaining to armd forces and retired defence forces
A very well analysed article put across in a frank and forthright manner..the Defence Services must continue to remain apolitical, while in Service or as Veterans..those joining politics on the argument that they will now look after the interests of the uniformed community are only fooling themselves..they will have no say and are going to be used as pawns by the fraudsters and criminals..while in Service, the uniformed fraternity has to demonstrate it's loyalty to the Services.. unfortunately, this loyalty and commitment has been replaced by cutthroats and selfish ascenders..the politico bureaucratic Nexus has exploited the Services by divide and rule policy..the Services are to be blamed for the pathetic state they are in today and have none to blame except themselves..they bent and crawled..it's time for setting ones own house in order by acknowledgement and acceptance of the malaise within, carry out reflection and introspection and build up the esprit de corps..learn to hear the conscience within before sorting out things beyond their control..the respect has to come from within before being respected by others..ajb
Either you enjoy retired life as retired Fauji, or if wish to do something, then certainly need to join something and anything outside is politics or connected to it . Choice is yours
This is horrendous thought process and praises thereof. How has the armed forces been politicised? If your PM mentions you in a positive light is it politicisation? Then your analysis is not apolitical at all. Secondly, after retirement donot hold these free thinking people captive to your slavish attitude or lack of energy for free thinking. I applaud these people joining politics to expand the possibilities.
You have raised s plethora of issues under one umbrella – “polticising the Armed forces:1. Favouritism by the ruling party in selection for appointment to higher echelons of the Armed Forces.2. Incompetence of thod such favoured3. Lack of professionalism in our officers at senior management levels.4. Ignoring by political decision makers of real issues faced by the Armed corces.5. Inability of our Senior officers at Armed Forces headquarters to buck the bureaucracy.6.Gradual whittling away of status of Armed Forces vis a vis their civilian counterparts.7. Aspirations, justified or otherwise of veterans to contribute to nation building.8. Changing contours of the practice of politics itself over the last few decades.In other words, these are complex and interconnected issues, and cannot have simplistic solutionsSo where do we go from here?I feel that as General McCarthur is believed to have stated to have said in another context, ” I have seen the enemy. And the enemy is within”.We need to set our own house in order first.Set right our selection and training policies at lower levels – far from the influence of the mandarins at MOD.Refrain from succumbing to the perks and pleasures of office at higher levels.Democratise the forces within the constraints of the regimental system.Encourage interaction between the Services and the beneficiaries thereof, namely the public at large, so that each knows how the other half lives.Today, we literally live in cocoons both socially and professionally. This gives rise to avoidable envy and mistrust between the two.As my commanding officer on board a submarine (later, Chief if Naval Staff) used to say, we were born as civilians and we will die as civilians. Our sojourn in uniform only places a greater sense of duty and responsibility on us.As usual, you have stirred up a thought process.Would be delghted to hear other views.Commodore Shekhar
Under Question mark is motive of people joining politics ? Self Service or national service ? Their immense capabilities will be used in the interest of the nation or self interest ? They will be ambassadors of Armed forces, if they stoop down low in dirty game of politics they will disgrace the honour of Armed forces. Jai Hind
A very hard hitting article coming from a person whose personal integrity has always been above reproach.I especially like where u say that it appears to be a mass wedding of below poverty lines, my fear is lest they land up being ghodi/band /light wallahs for the political masters or may be the coin snatchers of a typical big fat Punjabi wedding..Naresh
Government servants should not be allowed to join political parties after retirement, unless they give up their designation and also forfiet their pension.
Very very correct.
Fully agree with you. If Armed Forces have to improve upon present pathatic situation, they must remain politically aware, and should not be curbed from joining after retirement. When number builds up the presence of ESMs in politics would make a difference, if not now.
Could you give any reasoning for what you said plz?
Apropos views of Shankar R the only comment it deserves is that it is not an unbiased and totally an apolitical view. It is ridiculous to brand all those joining BJP as power/ fame hungry or gullible lot. As a responsible citizen of nation we all are not only responsible but also duty bound to do our bit for the betterment of society/Nation. All those thinking politics as touch me not, must understand that there is politics in every sfare of life and do your best you can not remain untouched by it. I feel this article has been written either to scare Offrs joining BJP or to create a falls narrative in the public domain that BJP is politicizing Armed Forces.Col RKTripathi
Civilians have become powerful compared to Armed Forces due to their closeness with Political system and get whatever they want like pay perks promotion but otherside Armed Forces continue getting marginalized in all aspect pay ,promotion, perks and status wise in compare to civilians.The so called attitude that we will do it at any cost developed a system where a service officers keeps running with a file to get it approved from MOD lower rung babus as he has to prove his boss that he can manage.I have seen in MOD how senior service officials LIKE AVM get humiliated by lower rung babus .Sad but true butnobody takes stand.If someone takes stand then things will change as on many occassions I have seen babus accepted service proposal when the particular officer took stand .Chane will come only seniors will change their attitude and ready to forget personal gain .Difficult to matterlise.
Retired people joining politics shows that they still have energy to contribute to nation building and feel for the nation . It is natural for a human to be recognised by others . Remember moslow theory ??? . Rest is all relative as all of us are cuvillians at birth and it's a small or I would say a phase of 30 to 40 percent which is in uniform and off course shapes our personality . Services get noticed because of it's emotive connect with security being threatened as services are seen to be the last baton enabling cuvillians enjoy the perks of an otherwise peaceful co existance
This blog raises a flag about a new trend. What I do know and am convinced is the need fur the armed forces to learn to engage with the political and administrative machinery of the country. Our training and ethos does not permit this while in service – this also needs a relook. I repeat – the key word is ENGAGE – not to be confused with indulge.
The author when in service would have deprived others of privileges and perks ..that typical mindset..wherein on some pretext a rule is quoted…now that's how due to such officers services feel deprived.Now after retirement also he is not at peace and having a problem with others who wish to grow and try in politics… and when they are free to do so.This is the tendency to judge on so called ethos and stuff that prevent anyone from trying to do something for himself. Vikrant D
Sir Frank, to the point & candid as you have always been.
This is the basic problem of third world countries or security of futureWe all after hanging out boots come out with excellent solution but during our innings whatever rank we may be we remain subservant of our interest to rise high It has been / heard means donor justify the results.One of Naval Chief was shown the door by Def Minister purely due to Army Act No senior officer has got courage to talk of removal of this Act as it was designed by British Rulers to deal with Natives Army Jai Hind
Like the term 'secular' in our constitution, the term 'apolitical' as applicable to Armed Forces, needs to be defined clearly, and understood. Difference between being 'apolitical' and being victim of 'political interference' needs to be understood. Being apolitical, as I understand, implies execution of duties / tasks without any leanings towards any political outfit. That is already ensured by the defined hierarchy wherein, except for the highest echelons, executive orders are kept well outside the influence of political bodies, unlike police. It is political interference that is troubling the Armed Forces as it enables the politicians to place such cdrs in highest echelons who can further their political goals. As regards ESM joining politics, it is the only way to sort out bureaucratic ' up manship', BUT, that would be possible only if/ when they rise to relevant posts in the heirarchy, till then they serve as 'wall flowers'. That elevation will again be decided by the politician only. Has any difference been made by two Armed Forces members serving as ministers in a 'majboot sarkar'?
I tend to agree … It's for the Top Echleons to hedge political interference the rank & file is well isolated from direct interference !!!
If the veterans can form a political party they can bring a new hope to our current polity.They can contribute by dedicating their efforts to alleviation of corruption bottom to top, education and physical well being of young generation.They can be then really a party with difference the like of which new India desires to have but in absence of one tends to gravitate towards BJP.General Shankar will not have to put retired after his nameIf he becomes politically active and would not mind to prefix his rank to his name too.He and persons like him can be true leaders as a General never retires.The country needs some one like Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose in politics to day to bring back respect to the word politics that it deserves.
Sir, as a junior officer who has served in the valley your article comes out as pretty political in itself. You forget that Lt Gen DS Hooda joined the Congress. Congress manifesto – AFSPA be removed, that sedition law be removed and that Kashmir be handed over to Pakistan. I am sorry this is clearly ANTI NATIONAL. You also forget that Gen Panag is in AAP and openly talks of 'Inquilab' and overthrowing the elected govt of India. AAP also talks of AFSA being removed, Baharat tere Tukde Tukde honge. So you cannot say that generals have not joined across the spectrum. The rest of the spectrum which you so strongly support is indeed anti national.
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Well said.
Frank and very well analysed article. Kudos Sir. After Command of troops it's belittling.
I am a Veteran. I dare say that service men are generally apolitical as this has been imbibed from the time of joining the Armed Forces. We are not politically savvy nor are we trained to administer the country. This is not to say that many current politicians and bureaucrats are the best to run a country. There have been very few Service officers who climbed the political ladder and performed well after joining it. I agree with the author the present top leadership has showed signs of ‘chamchagiri’. That is going to harm our professional competence and commitment to our role if not arrested. Politicians in power from both major parties are to blame.
Sorry, Unknown of 29 Apr and Raghu of 30 Apr, beg to differ. You must be joking! You seriously think a strong and 'no nonsense' chief or senior offr will be favoured by any political party?! Or any senior offr/ Chief wishing to join politics will take up cudgels on behalf of his command?! Or such offrs on joining a political party will have the teeth or heart to take up issues on behalf of your Army?! The sooner we shed such 'rosy dreams' and wake up to reality the better. Keep politics and future political aspirants away from Army for God's sake!
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